Vesna Manojlović - 2024-10-31 09:01:01
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Vesna Manojlović - 2024-10-31 09:03:37
First talk is pre-recording, by Geoff Huston: "Why Is This IPv6 Transition Taking So long? "
Geoffrey Huston - 2024-10-31 09:04:31
I fell off my bike and broke myself! So I was told "no flying til you heal!" So its virtual me - sorry!
Vesna Manojlović - 2024-10-31 09:05:01
Hi Geoff! Take care, heal well!
Tim Chown - 2024-10-31 09:05:13
why does it matter if laggards don't choose to use ipv6? those who benefit from it can do so.
Eric Vyncke - 2024-10-31 09:05:55
@Tim: network effect, even IPv6 will benefit from more IPv6 users ?
Geoffrey Huston - 2024-10-31 09:06:04
that's my point tim - there is no longer any impetus to see the entire job through to completion
Tim Chown - 2024-10-31 09:06:18
@Eric: how?
Vesna Manojlović - 2024-10-31 09:07:58
Dear Tim, if you want to ask an "official question", please write it in the Q&A panel, or please wait until the end of the talk and ask your question using audio. Thank you! (I am saying this as a Chat Monitor).
Rinse Kloek - 2024-10-31 09:13:52
CGNAT does work very well within our network. However costs is still a trigger to go for IPv6 in the long way
Tim Chown - 2024-10-31 09:20:14
and if geoff has 35% v6 in his measurements, of that 65% how much is residential isp, how much commercial enterprise, how much R&E campuses, how much other? would be interesting to know where the laggards are. And i think enterprises were always seen to be moving last, or not at all.
Eric Vyncke - 2024-10-31 09:20:44
@tim: my impression as well, enterprises are the laggards...
Tim Chown - 2024-10-31 09:21:20
but does that matter? i guess they'll see more and more "v6 only" iot devices, but if enteerprises remain v4, so what?
Geoffrey Huston - 2024-10-31 09:21:34
My point is that they are not necessarily "laggards" per se - maybe they are just economnic retionalists ! :-)
Tim Chown - 2024-10-31 09:22:35
well indeed, there's no economic incentive for an enterprise to deploy. a university campus may have depts involved in projects using ipv6, or be teaching and doing compsci research, but general comemrcial enterprises, why would they?
Eric Vyncke - 2024-10-31 09:22:46
@Geoff true, there is little incentive for "normal" enterprises especially in a world of highly concentrated email providers, clouds, CDN, ...
Rinse Kloek - 2024-10-31 09:23:17
Speaking from my experience, they don't see the prio as there is no incentive. Companies just want to have their apps/services and don't care about the network.
Tim Chown - 2024-10-31 09:23:29
in R&E space, the CERN experiments are the big ipv6 users, 170 sites, 40 countries. over 2Tbit/s during their february data challange.
Eric Vyncke - 2024-10-31 09:24:50
This curve about IPv4 address costs is depressing for IPv6 enthusiasts... but re-enforces Geoff's message
Rinse Kloek - 2024-10-31 09:25:15
Als lack of knowledge in enterprise business is a block for adopting ipv6. They just don't care...
Even in Telco environment we are dependent on the individuals that are eager to deploy IPv6.
Tim Chown - 2024-10-31 09:25:16
oh, equilibriation really is a word :)
Tim Chown - 2024-10-31 09:25:40
it took 25 mins of rthe meeting for someone to mention AI :)
Tim Chown - 2024-10-31 09:26:18
@eric, not so sure, the price is falling, and i dont think you can say it's stabilised based on a few months of data
Eric Vyncke - 2024-10-31 09:26:41
it was a couple of years though
Tim Chown - 2024-10-31 09:27:01
no, the price is down a lot from its peak 2-3 years ago
Geoffrey Huston - 2024-10-31 09:27:08
https://www.potaroo.net/ispcol/2024-10/ipv6-fig8.png
Geoffrey Huston - 2024-10-31 09:27:31
the price fell 2022 - 2023 and has now stabilized
Tim Chown - 2024-10-31 09:27:32
peaks at 60 down to lows at 30, in 2 years
Rinse Kloek - 2024-10-31 09:27:46
I think the price of 50 dollar was a bit overpriced and driven by the demand of some big hyperscalers
Tim Chown - 2024-10-31 09:27:55
ofc 2022 was overpriced
Geoffrey Huston - 2024-10-31 09:28:12
I think it was COVID panic and a lack of market information at the time
Eric Vyncke - 2024-10-31 09:28:27
possibly
Tim Chown - 2024-10-31 09:29:01
and it's only really been the last 12 months or so that you can do v6-only properly to/from cloud providers, and even amazon now charge you less if you do that.
Rinse Kloek - 2024-10-31 09:29:19
Just look at the transfer history on the RIPE NCC website. AWS / Microsoft were stockpiling IPv4...
Vesna Manojlović - 2024-10-31 09:29:20
Referring to "DNS Matters" -> Shameless plug: DNS Hackathon is coming up -> March 2025 in Stockholm -> read more here: https://labs.ripe.net/author/becha/join-the-dns-hackathon-2025/
Tim Chown - 2024-10-31 09:30:09
i'd stockpile v4 and the rates amazone lease ipv4 to their users, they recoup it in a year or so iirc.
Tim Chown - 2024-10-31 09:30:42
but as an org, why would we not use v6 to talk to cloud services, when it's cheaper?
Vesna Manojlović - 2024-10-31 09:30:53
Geoff has asked for questions.
Rinse Kloek - 2024-10-31 09:30:53
@Tim, it's just a business case for them
Vesna Manojlović - 2024-10-31 09:31:35
ripe.net/training
Vesna Manojlović - 2024-10-31 09:31:44
https://ripe.net/training
Rinse Kloek - 2024-10-31 09:32:09
@Vesna I alwasy redirect people to the RIPE training, they are excellent!
Vesna Manojlović - 2024-10-31 09:32:34
👍
Tim Chown - 2024-10-31 09:33:20
there are LOTS of NATs in R&E.
Victoria Risk - 2024-10-31 09:38:06
What I get from this is, regrettably, geo-location via DNS is here to stay.
Victoria Risk - 2024-10-31 09:38:40
(regrettably because, privacy)
Christian Seitz - 2024-10-31 09:39:36
Thx to Geoff for already answering questions during your talk ;-)
Eric Vyncke - 2024-10-31 09:39:44
Thank you Geoff
Tim Chown - 2024-10-31 09:39:50
there are two Geoffs!
Rinse Kloek - 2024-10-31 09:39:59
Thanks Geoff for the talk
Vesna Manojlović - 2024-10-31 09:40:15
Next talk: K8s IPv6 and Routing by
Nico Schottelius
Rinse Kloek - 2024-10-31 09:40:41
Congrats Nico!
Geoffrey Huston - 2024-10-31 09:40:46
Congratulations!
Tim Chown - 2024-10-31 09:40:50
congrats
Vesna Manojlović - 2024-10-31 09:40:57
👨🍼
Tim Chown - 2024-10-31 09:41:07
i hope there are still penguins
Tim Chown - 2024-10-31 09:41:11
aha yes!
Vesna Manojlović - 2024-10-31 09:41:23
🐧
Victoria Risk - 2024-10-31 09:44:44
There was a talk about troubleshooting networking applications deployed inside a container environment that itself has its own networking environment, at the most recent APNIC. It was a horror show.
Victoria Risk - 2024-10-31 09:45:15
So it is nice to hear about the upside...
Vesna Manojlović - 2024-10-31 09:56:59
Any questions for Nico?
Vesna Manojlović - 2024-10-31 09:58:44
Next talk: Advent of IPv6 by
Jens Link
Vesna Manojlović - 2024-10-31 10:03:22
s/prices/prizes
Vesna Manojlović - 2024-10-31 10:04:13
Jens asked for a show of hands.
Nico Schottelius - 2024-10-31 10:05:36
Love the idea - I think main issue is that someone needs to maintain/drive it, but I'd be willing to join the effort - for Jens
Vesna Manojlović - 2024-10-31 10:08:54
Nico, please approach Jens yourself - as a chat monitor I did not read this comment on the mike, since it was not an official question. And there was no time, since we are behind the schedule a bit.
Nico Schottelius - 2024-10-31 10:09:06
Will do!
Yannis Nikolopoulos - 2024-10-31 10:12:03
I'm getting mixed signals :)
Vesna Manojlović - 2024-10-31 10:21:02
Benedikt asked - if you have any questions. Please add them to Q&A
Geoffrey Huston - 2024-10-31 10:22:21
ooops. What did I break now?
Vesna Manojlović - 2024-10-31 10:28:04
Right now, the AOB (Any Other Business) , short slide by Ondřej Caletka.
Vesna Manojlović - 2024-10-31 10:28:48
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Dirk Meyer - 2024-10-31 10:28:54
31 Oktal == 25 Deciamal
Vesna Manojlović - 2024-10-31 10:28:58
Next sessions: Database & Open Source.
Vesna Manojlović - 2024-10-31 10:29:07
In this room: Database WG.
Vesna Manojlović - 2024-10-31 10:29:18
In the "side room" : Opensource-WG
